I believe snape is still a spy for the order but with DumbleDore dead who will snape report too. They wont trust or believe snape after snape killed DumbleDore. The result:.
1. Snape is bad
2.There is someone else on the order who trusts snape 3.DumbleDore told someone about snape and told them that if that situation occured DumbleDore asked snape to kill him.
4. Snape is good but no one will believe him.
5. DumbleDore was pleading for snape not to kill him but thats very unlikely...

Choices for who he will report to/believe him.
1. Hermoine: All the evidance says so. She said that evil is a strong word when Harry said that Snape is evil and that she never thought of Snape as a potenional Killer.
2. Aberforth: Snape could probably report to Aberforth in GOF and OoF it looked like DD told Aberforth a lot.
3. Someone who DD told about his plans with snape...
4. DD may have left a message to someone and that person may believe Snape...

Hello Mudblood4life and welcome to Immeritus! Please remember to type out your words properly. This makes your posts much easier for everyone to read.

Although some of the issues raised in this post are covered elsewhere (e.g. Did Dumbledore want Snape to kill him? and Who will be the leader of the OotP) I am going to leave this topic open for discussion of who Snape would be most likely to contact.

I am sure Snape is OK. But is there really a need for him to report to anyone? He is pretty much a loner. He may just work by himself to swart some evildoing (maybe anonymous tips?)

And in the end he will help and protect Harry. When I finished OotP I thought that Harry’s most important task is to learn to forgive Snape. I still think so.

i think Snape's most important mission left to fulfill is teaching Harry occlumency. We all saw how easily Snape stopped Harry's attacks at the end of HBP cuz Harry didn't shut out his thoughts. Like i said before, if Snape could stop him so easily, Voldy would have a field day with Harry, especially as the protection dear mum Lily left no longer works (the part with the physical contact and all, tho the wands still can't duel)

Point is, i think Hermy would convince Harry to trust Snape and Harry will have to learn occlumency before he can face Voldy again. Dumb luck can only get you so far against the most powerful dark wizard ever...YES I SAID DUMB LUCK. (side rant: DUMB luck...DUMBledore...coincidence...? probably...so much for my rant...)

Now the real question is....what would Voldy have Snape do now? After all, he was spying on both sides, tho i believe he really is on the good side. so now that Voldy's spy has been "revealed" so to speak, what will be Voldy's plans for his spy? And would he be more thrilled that APWBD is finally dead or more upset that his spy is revealed...? Probably the former...so that brings us back to the question: "What the hell is Voldy gonna have Snape do now?" Sit around DE headquarters and twiddle his thumbs all day a la Sirius?

i guess this just goes to show that no matter how smart we think we all are and how much of the last novel we think we have figured out (RAB and the big locket in the Black house etc.) there is still a whooooooole lot left out there. Can't wait for 2007 to come...

-al

Well some others are saying that Harry will be the new "captin" for the order, but if Snape goes and tells Harry... he won't believe that he is good. So my point is that (you were write in some way) you have to think and that who would trust Dombledore enough that they would trust every person that he does, and it must be someone that Dumbledore trusts to tell a lot more things that he would tell someone else. I hope i make sense.

Ok, first of all I know that Harry never trusted Snape but, if Harry finds out that Snape is giving the Order news about Voldemort, do you think Harry will consider Snape's advice? Looking back on topic "If Snape is Still a Spy for Dumbledore who will He Report to?"


"Well some others are saying that Harry will be the new "captain" for the order, but if Snape goes and tells Harry... he won't believe that he is good. So my point is that (you were right in some way) you have to think and that who would trust Dombledore enough that they would trust every person that he does, and it must be someone that Dumbledore trusts to tell a lot more things that he would tell someone else. I hope I make sense."

Ok I know that I might be getting a little off track and might be going into another topic already made, but I have a point.

Edited for random typos and capitalisation of 'I's. Watch it!

I don't think Harry would believe if Snape, or anybody else, would tell him that Snape is good. I mean, Dumbledore had been telling him that for years, and Harry trusted Dumbledore probably more than anybody else. So why would he believe if anybody else told him. I think that Snape will just have to prove Harry with actions on which side he is. And I think that the only thing that would convince Harry is if Snape would turn against Voldemort in front of Harry. And even then I think Snape would have to do something drastic, like be willing to risk his own life for Harry, for Harry to believe him. I mean, Snape did try to save Harry's life before, and Harry found out Snape did it because he felt he owed it to James. So Snape will have to do something selfless this time... At least that's what I'd need if I were Harry.

I don't believe that Harry will ever trust Snape, especially NOW after he killed Dumbledore.

Even if Dumbledore's portrait can corroborate whatever story Snape or anyone else might convey to Harry about the events leading up to the tower and the horrible scene that took place on the tower - Harry would not be able to get over the fact that SNAPE WAS THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY KILLED Dumbledore.

I don't think Harry would understand, perhaps the wrong wording......I don't think Harry could forgive the act of killing Dumbledore, even if it was planned or was a sacrifice or whatever the case may be. I feel that Harry would believe there had to be some other way, some other alternative. Harry would strongly believe that Dumbledore didn't have to die. There would be no explanation within Harry's reasoning for that to have happened, especially to someone as special as Dumbledore.

As for Snape performing a self-less act to convince Harry - I'm not sure there is anything, short of Snape personally destroying Voldemort in front of Harry, that would convince Harry that Snape is still part of the Order.

I mean Snape has always gone out of his way to torment Harry, hasn't he? And even though he has tried to save Harry before and did keep the other DE from attacking Harry anymore at the end of HBP (still Snape took the moment to rough Harry up a bit, throwing him into the ground), Harry thoroughly believes Snape is evil through and through. So, barring a miracle (perhaps we can hold on to hope and Dumbledore is alive [ie: the miracle!]) Harry is out to get Snape and now detests him as much as he does Voldemort.

Quote on page 603, US edition:

Quote::

Pushing himself to his feet again, he staggered blindly toward Snape, the man he now hated as much as he hated Voldemort himself.

Quote on page 640, US Edition, Harry is thinking about Malfoy, but mentions Snape:

Quote::

His animosity was all for Snape,

and page 651,US edition:

Quote::

"......And if I meet Severus Snape along the way," he added, "so much the better for me, so much worse for him."

Anyway, I for one, as do we all, have so many theories, so many interpretations......Guess it will be all quite interesting to see how JK plays everything out, whether Snape is good or evil, I'm certain will play a major role........I for one can't wait.

I seriously doubt that Harry will ever trust Snape. Dumbledore certainly trusted Snape, but look where it got him from Harry's point of view. Harry doesn't know what went on between Dumbledore and Snape, so to him it just looks like Snape killed him on Voldemort's orders. It seems to me that Dumbledore asked Snape to kill him. I don't have a copy of HBP handy, but right in that scene Dumbledore says something like "Severus, please..." or something to that effect. To Harry it sounds like Dumbledore is begging for his life, but it seemd to me that he was asking Snape to kill him so that Malfoy wouldn't become a killer. But does it look that way to Harry? Not at all, so even if Snape explained what happened I doubt Harry would really believe him. Snape has never been remotely kind to Harry, and so Harry doesn't really have any reason to think that Snape is still good.
I'm looking forward to the seventh book. It will be quite interesting to see if Harry does catch up with Snape and how that pans out.

First off Snape is on the good side and he has only been doing what Dumbledore has instructed him to do. Harry will find out when Snape sacerices his life for either him or Ginny.

Ok ya but what if Dumbledore was pleading for mercy because that was their (Dumbledore and Snape's) plan, to, as you said, make so that Snape was killing him on Voldemorts command. But maybe that is another reason why so he cannot make Draco a killer.

I know that Harry will probably not trust Snape because Snape is the ONE who killed Dombledore and because he never did. But why didn't Dumbledore just grab his wand when he was talking to Draco? He could've done it easily. He is a lot stronger then Draco and could have had a chance to just get him unconcious (i tink thats how you spell it) and run away or go somewere else like go out and help wiht the fight. I mean it frustrates me that he could have done that but didn't. Maybe he didn't do for Draco's sake but if Draco was affraid which i think he was or just didn't want to kill... i don't know. If there was a plan between Snape and Dumbledore and part of it was for Snape to kill Dumbledore, he didn't have to die, if got back his wand and maybe took Draco somewere to hide him so Voldemort wouldn't have to kill him or his family. Does that make sense?

I'm on the 'Snape is a good guy' side, and that he was giving Harry a last bit of advice before leaving at the end of HBP - but thats another thread.

I've got a feeling that something big is going to happen in the next book that will make Harry realise that he has to trust Snape in the end in order to win against LV, even though the last thing he wants to do is listen to him.

This doesn't mean though that their feelings toward each other will change. Harry will never be able to forgive Snape for killing DD, not even if he is told it was on DDs orders.

I was also thinking of that stinky little rat. Harry hated him with all his heart, yet he stopped Sirius and Lupin from killing him because he believed his parents wouldn't want them to do that. Maybe, if Snape is good, and if Lily was his friend (like some theories suggest), his mother's "love" for Snape might prevent him to kill him, and trust him in the end (if he proves himself). It seems that Harry does a lot of things because he thinks his parents would do the same...

I think Wormtail will pay his debt back to Harry by taking the fall for him and giving up hsi life. As for Snape I think we will finally find out wha tside he is one when hr gives up his life to save Ginny because Harry couldn't get there in time and when Harry does get there Snape will tell him everything with the plan in his last seconds. While Harry's comforting Ginny Snape will also say to keep her close because You-Know-Who wants to kill everyone close to Harry. He will decide then and there that she needs to be with him at all times. She will think he's gonna push her away agaun because he's gonna say I made a decison and we need to talk, but instead of talking he will simply kiss her and say lets go we have a job to finish. This time you're staying with me.

Ok but ya. We don't know that Snape is going to risk his life to save Ginny do we. No Jk hasn't said anything about that happening. But the clue on that Voldemmort will kill anyone close to Harry leads to that in a way. But what if it could be Ron or Hermione next? Then what do we do? Or what if it is all three which i doubt that JK will kill all of them. But we also don't know if Snape is good or "evil". We know he has to choose one side. But how can he still be a spy if the only man that trusted him and gave him orders which was Dumbledore, and know he is dead. So he can either be working for Voldemort or Dumbledore. I asked myself though how would Snape be getting orders if Dumbledore is dead and IF he is good then who will he roport to? Thats another thread but we all know he can't just walk up to Harry and give him new of the Daark Lord and expect nothing to happen. For all Harry knows it could be a trap so he's not going to take any chances. Ginny might go with Harry, Ron and Hermione and she might not. What about Nevile? I think we all know that Nevile is going to have a big part in the 7th book. What if Nevile goes with them. Even though he insn't that "special" as some of the other HP characters are. What will happen with Nevile, will Snape be involved in some kind of way with him? We don't know if Sanpe wanted Lilly dead because the Dark Lord didn't have ot kill her. Think about this i could be write.