No, I do not care for him. I know that it is possible that people could like him, but *shudders* he is kind of evil.



However, Peter Pettigrew is an interesting character, I think. We don't really know a whole lot about his past or his family life and there is a lot of speculation about him. I see him, however, as a very pitiable character. Though I could never forgive him for betraying his best friends <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :grr --><img src=http://www.freakygamers.com/smilies/s2/contrib/dvv/pissed.gif ALT=":grr]<!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> , I still feel sorry for him in a way. it seems to me that he is a sort of insecure person. He seems to be looking for people to just care about him and include him. The Marauders did that and I think he really liked them. I really don't have a clue how he decided to go to Voldemort. That is another interesting discussion point. it seems to me that Peter can't truly be happy serving Voldemort. To Voldemort, Peter is simply an expendable person, not anyone to care for. Anyway, I just feel bad for the (evil) guy even though it seems that he DID bring it upon himself.



Those are my thoughts on Pettigrew...Anyone else???



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I agree. Jk hasn't told us why or how he got involved with voldemort but I do feel sorry for him. He must of been a good person in the beginning though to make friends with the marauders. Maybe something happened to him that made him doubt their friendship or maybe something happened that made him change all together. Though Wormtail comes off as a horrible character there may be more to him than what we imagine.

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Hmm, Peter...one of those characters you wholely hate.



Honestly, he couldn't have been THAT bad when he was a Marauder, he earned James, Remus, and even Sirius' trust enough to be their friend and be considered as a Secret-Keeper worthy type person. I've read fanfic where he's depicted as a blundering, cowardly whimp, because all we know about him is how he acted in the Shack, a blundering, cowardly whimp. But he had to have more cunning than we give him credit for. He fooled James and Sirius, and was on the Dark side for over a year before the 'incident'. And it was a brilliant, yet simple, plan.



But he's still a horrible, conniving person. I hate him, look what he has done to Sirius and Harry! Jerk...I hope he dies. He better, wouldn't it be wonderfully ironic of it's Voldemort who kills him? But I bet it will be Sirius.

It is true that he did have to be somewhat clever to fool James, Sirius, Remus and Lily...but, remember, he WAS allied to the most powerful dark wizard in a couple hundred years...



I agree that he probably wasn't as bad as some fanfics make him out to be, and, as we all know, we ARE biased against him. Well, I AM and I admit it

im pretty sure we will hear about it in the future books, plus we may find Peter is not all bad (its hinted that a bond is created when a wizards life is saved by another, so no matter how much Harry dislikes the idea, he has a bond with Pettigrew)...but, the fact is that Peter is still a betraying, rotten rat.

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Oh, I know! The &quot;bond thing&quot; was a very broad hint. We can almost assume that Peter will help Harry sometime...but, then again, J.K. is not usually so outward in her hints, so who knows...er- well, J.K. knows...



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I hate Pettigrew as much as all of you, but I think that maybe in the end he'll go back over to the &quot;good side&quot; (I'm guessing that's what you would call it?). I mean, he's in Harry's debt, maybe when You-know-who's about to finish Harry off (<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek]<!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ) he'll realize his wrongdoings and save him? It's unlikely, but you never know. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes]<!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> It would be way too easy for JK to write... I guess we'll have to wait for Book 7 to come out!!



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I agree...I do feel sort of sorry for him....

I kind of want want to belive that he was forced to (because then maybe back in time or in an "alternate universe" he could be good) but I guess he could be TRULY evil. I mean evil as in not a shred of pity or feeling as he does cruel things.

But, as Voldemort says, Peter is regretting joining him, so that DOES leave a bit of hope that he's good...

Still, I won't forgive him...

I totally understand about the 'wanting to believe he was forced'. But, then, you have to take into account what Sirius said to him. He said that he should have died rather than betray his friends. So...that is the question. Should he have resisted to the death? Or was there a reason he gave in? I just don't see how. Maybe if Voldemort threatened someone close to him. But that person would have to have been 'more important' to him then his best friends. It could have happened...



And, no, I cannot forgive him either.





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yes, but i feel sure that he will give himself up, clear sirius's name, and maybe save harry's life, because, if i remember rightly DD says " the time will come when you will be glad you saved petters life, i doubt very much voldermort wanting a slave in the debt of harry potter" or something like that, so i am almost positive he will become good again, and help in the distriyal of voldy, i also think that in book 7, DD will die and leave harry the school, but that is a different story, what do you think about the wormtail thing?

siriusbfan- Yeah, it would be wonderfully ironic if Voldemort kills him

As you can see by my name, I am a Peter Pettigrew fan. I don't think Peter just woke up one day and "went to the dark-side" From what I imagine, I think Sirius Remus and James were all good looking and talented, however, Peter was fat and not very good at many things...He probably got teased and picked on a lot for that, from both inside and outside the Mauraders. His feelings for this might of even been increased if he took becoming a Secret-Keeper the wrong way. After all, who would ever suspect chubby, good-for-nothing Pettigrew?



All in all, I really don't think Peter went to the dark side all by himself. I feel he had a little push, that's all, and I don't think Peter is a bad person, deep down.





-That Rat

Well, that would have to be pretty deep down (like that sort of non-existant deep), because I'm not seeing this goodness. At all. I agree that he didn't just roll over in bed one day and said "Self, today sounds like a good day to go see what Lord V is up to." I think you're right when you said it was gradual and that part of it might have been a secret spite he had for James, Sirius, and Remus, and a want to be special in his own way. That is hardly a positive feature though.



However, I think [know] Sirius had him down when he said that he ran to the Dark side for protection. James was going into hiding over the Dark Lord, so obviously the Marauders weren't the big bad macho men of the block anymore, that would be the Dark side, and Peter wanted to watch after his own dirty skin, so he played traitor. Not only did he betray his only friends, he also told their secret, caused their demise, made an orphan of a one year old, and wrecked the lives of his former friends that were alive. And by wrecked, I do mean WRECKED. And he tried to do it again by denying it all to Sirius [reference: in the S. Shack] and by stationing himself near Harry, where he was free to kill the boy and secure his own safe return to the Inner Circle if word reached his ear that the Dark side was powerful enough to protect him. Oh yeah, and let's not forget the whole FRAMING SIRIUS thing. Yeah, I bet he didn't even come up with that on his own, more than likely it was crafted by the Dark Lord and Peter was just a pathetic puppet.



You know, even if he did have a push, he's still a horrible person. His only SLIGHT redemption would be if he saves Harry, goes to the Ministry and clears Sirius' name, and spends the rest of his life rotting in Azkaban and thinking about what pain he's caused. And if he goes through about 43509 years worth of physical torture. Nope, I still don't think I'd pity him.



I feel very strongly about Peter. Rat.



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You make some good points and I can't help but agree. He did betray his friends, and he did frame Sirius...however, we've only ever heard one side of the story, from Sirius and Remus. This is speculation, but what if he was kidnapped by the Death Eaters and tortured until he told? Not everyone can be brave and noble and not give in under pressure like that. What if he was given truth potion and asked the location of James and Lily Potter? And, after that was done, Lord Voldemort could of convinced Peter that he couldn't go back to his friends because they would never understand or forgive him. He might of said that he could offer Peter protection from them, and Peter would of been scared and probably agreed. He could of also threatened Peter to stay on his side. There is, of course, no way to back my ideas up, but they could be possibilities.

There are *FOUR* Marauders, after all.

-That Rat

It shows very clearly in PoA that he WENT to Voldemort, there was no kidnap and force. First of all, after they revealed him in the Shack, he LIED about Sirius being an agent of the Dark Lord to cover up his own betrayal. He said Sirius did all the things that HE actually did. He groveled for forgiveness. They were going to kill him; and it's most within his character to bring up the fact that he was 'kidnapped and forced' first thing if he had been, but he didn't, because it's not true. Peter betrayed Sirius, Remus, Lily, and James.



"Sirius, Sirius, what could I have done? The Dark Lord.... you have no idea... he has weapons you can't imagine... I was scared, Sirius, I was never brave like you and Remus and James. I never meant it to happen... He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named forced me-"



"DON'T LIE!" bellowed Black. "YOU'D BEEN PASSING INFORMATION TO HIM FOR A YEAR BEFORE LILY AND JAMES DIED! YOU WERE HIS SPY!"



"He-he was taking over everwhere!" gasped Pettigrew. "Wh- what was there to be gained by refusing him?"



"What was there to be gained by fighting the most evil wizard who has ever existed?" said Black, with a terrible fury in his face. "Only innocent lives, Peter!"



"You don't understand!" whined Pettigrew. "He would have killed me, Sirius!"



"THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE DIED!" roared Black. "DIED, RATHER THAN BETRAY YOUR FRIENDS, AS WE WOULD HAVE DONE FOR YOU!"





It's obvious he was lying about the force. He did it to secure his own safety. He is no victim, he is a coward. And he had been passing information for a year!! A year of betrayal! And let's all not forget that when that rat did escape, he didn't try to live a quiet life in a forest somewhere, no, he went BACK to the Dark Lord to spite Remus and Sirius, and for his own further protection.



There are not four Marauders. The Marauders were a group of friends, and Peter betrayed them all, killed one, and wrecked the lives of the others.



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