I have looked through the site and have not found a topic like this, but correct me if I have missed it. Has anyone noticed that Voldemort may have made a grave mistake in GoF when he came back to life/power. He used Wormtail's hand as part of the potion. (Flesh of a servant freely given). In PoA Harry saved Wormtail's life and according to Dumbledore this means that their is a certain bond of debt between them. "This is magic at its deepest, its most impenetrable, Harry."



It seems a possibility to me that this would create a new bond between Harry and Voldemort. (Added to the many that already exist) Maybe even to the point of Voldemort owing Harry a magical life debt.



Any thoughts?

Yes, my thought is: I'm confused. What do you mean a stronger bond between Harry and Voldemort? Why would Wormtail giving his hand/arm strengthen the bond between Harry and Volemort?

~I've got georgia on my mind~

I think this wont happen although its an interesting point i think it will be more likely wormtail will save harry from voldemort not harry being saved by voldemort from voldemort

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Wyld Phyre has a good point. Voldemort used Harry's blood to gain his mother's protection, but he also used Wormtail's flesh, so his connection between Peter is now continued on through Voldemort. Voldemort, whether knowing or not knowing that Harry saved Peter's life, and is now indebted to him, now has a kind of debt link to Harry. Though if he did know about Peter's debt, and used him anyway, I wonder why he might've used him if he did know, and what could possibly be made to his advantage with it?

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Yes...and remember in GoF when Harry told Dumbledore the ingredients Voldemort used in the potion and that it contained Harry's blood..and that Voldemort could touch Harry now...Harry thought he saw a look of triumph on Dumbledore's face. I think that will mean something in the future also......Lavenderblue

I agree with you, WildPhyre. I think that something very significant happened that night in the graveyard. Voldy now has layers and layers and layers of connections to Harry, and I think Harry will only benefit from that when they face off again.



I also think that Peter's debt to Harry may come into play other than through the silver hand thingie-- Peter's loyalty is obviously for sale to the highest bidder. I wouldn't be surprised if he at some point turned on Voldy (which would, one hopes, result in his death). Or possibly Harry and Peter will have some direct confrontation, just the two of them.



I love it and hate it when JKR drops mysterious lines like DD's "triumphant look" it's agony waiting to find out what she's talking about, but it's so much fun to wonder what she's on about.

<span style="color:orange;font-family:comic sans ms;font-size:large;]Crookshanks: Toujours Purr ^..^[/color]

Uh oh..I just ran across this interview question with JK.



MauraEllen: Did the debt Wormtail has to Harry carry over to Voldemort when he sacrificed his arm to restore his body?



JK: No. Can't say more than that!



LavenderBlue

"Can't say more than that".... is interesting, not "uh-oh"! So maybe the "debt" didn't carry over to Voldy... that still means Peter's in debt. And it's still another connection between Harry & Voldy.



That JKR! International Woman of Mystery...

<span style="color:orange;font-family:comic sans ms;font-size:large;]Crookshanks: Toujours Purr ^..^[/color]

I wanted to go back and see about the look of triumph before I posted a reply.



Argh...so much to say and it seems that to boil it down to a little post will be difficult.



I think that Voldemort using Harry's blood was probably a &quot;good&quot; thing in the long run. I think the more bonds Voldemort has to Harry the harder it is for him to fight him. Plus, I reckon that dear Voldy doesn't know exactly what kind of protection Harry's mother gave him. He just knows that it has something to do with blood. If this were something well known every wizard mother would use it, I think there is more to it.



In short, without going into long theories about how certain charms work that are being disucussed elsewhere. I think Dumbledore's look of triumph is that he knows Voldy made a grave mistake.



As for Pettigrew, he'll somehow be forced to choose between saving Harry and saving Voldemort. I have no exact theories on when that will happen. It harks me back to Snape feeling he's in James' debt and thus Harry's debt. I think both of these Life Debts will be played out fully in the next two books.

<span style="color:blue;font-family:times new roman;font-size:x-small;]Humbly Yours,

Black DogStar[/color]





<span style="color:purple;font-family:Christmas;font-size:medium;]Brilliant, Snape; once again you've put your keen and penetrating mind

to the task and as usual come to the wrong conclusion.[/color]

Hmmm, good question. Old Voldy must have made a mistake.



Harry's blood: It might be a long shot (a very long shot) but do you think that when Voldemort used Harry's Blood to give him life,so Harry's blood is a bit of his new body and if he kills Harry he will kill a bit of himself too? So he can't hurt Harry because if he does he will be hurting a bit of himself?



Peter's blood: Same deal? Voldemort can't kill him because he will be killing a bit of himself.Though I am set in my tracks that Peter will end up saving Harry's life. Positive about that.



Though I think I just contradicted myself there. Or have I? *sighs* Oh, I'm confused. Though it is half two in the morning. Better be off with it then.



Orla

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It harks me back to Snape feeling he's in James' debt and thus Harry's debt. I think both of these Life Debts will be played out fully in the next two books

Maybe I am wrong, but I thought Snape had already paid his debt back. Hasn't he saved Harry's life twice, once when he did the counter-curse when Quirrel was trying to kill Harry during the quidditch match, and second when he informed the Order that Harry had gone to the department of mysteries?



Maybe the first time does't count because it was Hermione who actually broke Quirrel's eye contact, but I always thought Snape had paid back his debt? Let me know your thoughts on this...LavenderBlue

^Yes, I didn't think Snape was in debt to Harry, or really even James, but I agree that it's a possibility, and has been paid if so.



Dumbledore's look of triumph (I noticed it first read! *Pats self on back*) makes me think that DD was ready for that move on Voldemort's part, and had something in place for it, that we will learn later.



As to life debts, is Ginny in Harry's debt as well, since he saved her from the basilisk/Tom Riddle?

If you knew then what you know now, would you do it all over again?

- (the late) Ronnie Bond of the Troggs

It's just that Dumbledore says that a Life Debt creates a bond between two wizards that is very powerful. I'm not sure it's just until the debt is &quot;paid&quot;. I mean, if someone saved your life, would you just be looking around for the time when you could save his/her life in return so you could mark it down as even? I think it's a bit more complex than that.



Even with Snape, how many times has he continued to save Harry? I don't think it can just be marked off the books.



And with Ginny, I think it's this unbreakable bond-not so much a pay and be paid kind of thing.



You see what I'm saying?





<span style="color:blue;font-family:times new roman;font-size:x-small;]Humbly Yours,

Black DogStar[/color]





<span style="color:purple;font-family:Christmas;font-size:medium;]Brilliant, Snape; once again you've put your keen and penetrating mind

to the task and as usual come to the wrong conclusion.[/color]

Yes, I noticed the 'look of triumph' too, and wondered about that. Maybe it will end up hurting Voldemort in the long run. Still not quite sure what to think about it.

As for the debt between Snape and James- James pulled Snape back from the Shreking Shack, when Sirius told him to go down there. James saved Snape's life, putting hime in debt. I think Snapehas definitly paid back his debt, with the Quidditch game and the Department of Mysteries.



Edit: very sorry for writing Sirius: I meant Snape



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If things continue as they are, the entire wizarding world will be in debt.



I think the Wormtail/Harry/Voldemort bond will play out as such:



Voldemort owes Wormtail. Wormtail owes Harry. Wormtail will have to decide in Harry's favor, so all of the debts will pay off.