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shadowkeyu
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Post subject: Re: *SPOILER* Thoughts on the Horcruxes
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:02 PM
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after reading all of this input it's hard not to think you guys might be right about the whole V. soul in harry. i'm not sure buit i would like to add a thought that came to me.
V. usally comes himself to kill important people. it seems strange to me that he assaigned someone who speaking in terms of age and skill, like Draco to kill DD is out of character. it might just be that he's too much of a coward to face DD. anyway, he let someone else kill his most powerful foe.
harry on the other hand is not to be touched and left to V. himself. maybe he needs to reclaim that soul fragment.
harry still lacks some vital skills. i think he will need a tutor. it just seems that while searching he'll get as many people as possable like lupin and some members of the Order to train him in little bits and peices.
but when all is said and done, i do believe that in the end HP will die. perhaps his love will work the same for Hermione and Ron as lily's did for him. remember that they are going with him. i think he will die for them. i can see him asking to be buried at hogwarts, the only place he has felt at home. and a grateful wizarding community will allow it. can't you see future Hogwarts students looking toward the lake to see to graves of the greatest wizards who gave so much. ROn and Hermione, telling stories to their kids and visiting the grave sight. that seems to fit for me.
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alleirbag
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Post subject: Re: *SPOILER* Thoughts on the Horcruxes
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:21 PM
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| V. usally comes himself to kill important people. it seems strange to me that he assaigned someone who speaking in terms of age and skill, like Draco to kill DD is out of character. it might just be that he's too much of a coward to face DD. anyway, he let someone else kill his most powerful foe |
It says in the book somewhere that V (thought he) knew Draco would die trying so this was his idea of punishment for Draco's father messing up.
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shadowkeyu
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Post subject: Re: *SPOILER* Thoughts on the Horcruxes
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:38 PM
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I still believe that it is important that Vold. was not there. Even if he thought Draco would not be there, he had sent along more Death Eaters. It must have been more important for DD to die then revenge on the Malfoys. this being the assumed case, then I think Snape killing DD but not being allowed to touch Harry gives extra importance to Harry, adding a little to the argument that he does hold something of great value that Vold. needs/wants.
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Post subject: Re: *SPOILER* Thoughts on the Horcruxes
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:46 PM
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Post subject: Re: *SPOILER* Thoughts on the Horcruxes
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 01:07 PM
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i can't even think about harry being a horcrux but on page 581 i found great aunt muriel's goblin made tiara very interestingcould this be ravenclaws horcrux
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 05:24 PM
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Post subject: Re: *SPOILER* Thoughts on the Horcruxes
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 06:03 PM
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My first post, stage fright..
In OoTP, when LV tries to posses Harry at the ministry,
"He could not bear to reside in a body so full of the force he detests."
If Harry is a horcrux, wouldn't he be more able to, well make himself at home? Why would LV have made him a horcrux if he is just going to keep trying to kill him? I do think there are a lot of arguments for the horcrux theory, so I will stop here.
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Post subject: Re: *SPOILER* Thoughts on the Horcruxes
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 06:15 PM
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I think you had an excellent first post buffy1
I don't think Harry could be a horcrux. Firstly, because he is so full of love that up until the graveyard scene in GoF, Voldemort couldn't even touch him. How's a bit of his soul supposed to reside within him. Secondly, I don't believe there was any way for Voldemort to place a part of his soul in Harry. He was going to AK his baby bottom. The spell backfired and clobbered Voldie. There wouldn't have been time for Voldemort to detach a part of his soul and put it in Harry. I got the impression from Slughorn that the making of a horcrux is a very long and difficult spell.
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Post subject: Re: *SPOILER* Thoughts on the Horcruxes
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 07:54 PM
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Just like to say a couple of my thoughts on the remaining Horcruxes:
1) I think the the one Horcrux that is still up in the air must be something of Ravenclaws. Considering this is the only house that we really dont know too much about, I think JKR will show us a little of Ravenclaw's history in Book 7(when does it come out?)
2) I want to think that RAB must be Regulus Black, but seeing as this seems to be the first thing that popped into nearly everyones head when seeing the letter, I find it a little too obvious for JKR's style. I guess maybe not to the avid HP fan, but again many of you have immediatly noted Regulus. By the way, does anyone know the names of Sirius' father or Sirius' middle name? Possibly some confirmation that RAB is indeed Regulus. I found that many peoples middle names in the series come directly from their parent of the same sex(i.e. Harry James Potter, Nymphadora Andromeda Tonks). Just some theories...
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Post subject: Re: *SPOILER* Thoughts on the Horcruxes
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 08:15 PM
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To back up gryffindorseekers point about the Horcrux being a Ravenclaw artifact. I have seen a quote from J.K. Rowling somewhere (sorry i can't remember where or i would have quoted it). Saying that in the 7th book Ravenclaw will have their bit of glory (or words to that effect)..And as Harry will not be returning to Hogwarts, this suggests to me that Ravenclaws history will be a main aspect in the final book. Therefore aiding in the death of Voldemort
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Post subject: Re: *SPOILER* Thoughts on the Horcruxes
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 09:05 PM
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Hello,
I have a few things to bring forward. First, I do not belive that Harry is a 'true' Horcrux' for reasons described earlier and in the book. Voldemort could not possess or reside in a body so full of the love. Nor, do I believe his could his soul. I do believe that there has been a link similar to the reference made to the vanishing cabinets between Voldemort and Harry. We know that Voldemort transferred some of his powers to Harry and we know that Harry's scar burns when he is in contact with Voldemort or having contact (visions) of what V- is doing. I believe that V's soul is trapped, like Montague was in the vanishing cabinets, in between the two (Harry and V-). This would explain the link that is enabling them to go beyond the normal limitations of distance that Snape described when attempting to teach Harry Occulemency.
We know that Harry's mother sacrifice put a lingering protection that resides in his blood, and that V- used Harry's blood in his rebirth. I believe that this created a new link between the two that V- needed, and that he insisted upon. I think that V- and Dumbledore realized that if V- was to recover the part of his soul that was trapped, he would have to have some of Harry in him as well. It's like having both vanishing cabinets in your possession. Regardless which the trapped soul would emerge, it woud be in him. If Harry kill Voldemort then the link will be broken and the part of the soul that was trapped would be released. If Voldemort kills Harry, which, by the way, he insists upon doing himself. (Notice that Snape wouldn't let the other Death Eaters kill Harry, neither would he kill Harry because of this.) Then Voldemort would regain that part of his soul that was trapped, because he has both ends. Harry wouldn't get Voldemorts soul in him because his mother's sacrifice prevents it from happening. I hope I've made myself plain. I'm interested to know other's views on this.
Obviously a fan,
Carrie
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robinoli2
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Post subject: Re: *SPOILER* Thoughts on the Horcruxes
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:00 PM
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Why would Voldermort by trying to kill Harry if he is one of the horcruxes. He would be killing another part of himself..? Im guessing the theroy that they are hidden in things belonging to the different houses.
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Post subject: Re: *SPOILER* Thoughts on the Horcruxes
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 01:21 AM
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The Gryffindor Horcrux (if there is one)
As Harry plans's to return to Godric's Hollow could their be something in the village/town belonging to Godric Gryffindor either in a gallery/museum etc.
And there is the graveyard... Harry's parents are buried there, maybe there is something in the church.
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Post subject: Re: *SPOILER* Thoughts on the Horcruxes
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 01:55 AM
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The big Godric Gryffendor relic was the sword that Harry used to kill the basilisk that is kept in the headmaster's office. I doubt that Riddle was able to get his hands on that and use it as a horcrux.
Edit - weird thought. Going through the full transcript of the Kid "reporters" interview with JKR, something she said made me think that something about Harry could indeed contain the Horcrux. so what if --- the curse scar wasn't just a curse scar, but a Horcrux as well? What if Voldy was planning on using Harry's baby body as an Inferi for a vehicle for the Horcrux? So that his AK didn't just include the killing curse, but the transfer information as well...sort of a combine two things to get it over with?
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Post subject: Re: *SPOILER* Thoughts on the Horcruxes
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 02:09 AM
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Sorry, I should have explained where my thought came from. I was just musing as to the village name being Godric's Hollow and would that have any bearing on perhaps there being something in the village which Harry may discover when he goes back.
I know its important for him to visit his parents graves. It just seems to be one those throwaway lines but as its placed at the end of the book, it seems to set up part of the adventure in book 7.
Just guessing really.
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