I would think that Harry would be one of the following:
Phoenix
Lion
Dog, maybe
or, as moonlightmicheifmaker pointed out, a hippogriff

I'm sure Harry is a beautiful big Phoenix, 'cause he reborn from himself!

I liked Pen's comment from the last page, about Stags having symbolic meanings. There are a series of books called the Troy Game by Sara Douglass Pen, that I think you would like. One of the ancient gods in that book is called Og, a white stag who is reborn in someone deemed to be worthy, and what you said ("represents a soul in search of baptism--a purification and cleansing of some kind") reminded me of that so much.

Anyway back on topic. I tried looking, but I don't remember there being any mention in the book on what form the patronus' of the Animagus we were introduced to (James, Sirius, McGonagall, Peter etc) took. So perhaps since there is no mention of it, we're to take it that your Patronus and your Animagus would be one in the same?

I do think that a stag suits Harry down to a tee. Several times in the book he is "reborn" again, becomes motivated once more, or gets his focus back. He is also very strong, mentally, magically and physically I think, brave, and proud.

Selene_Black wrote:

I'm sure Harry is a beautiful big Phoenix, 'cause he reborn from himself!

Do you think it's possible to become a Phoenix? Assuming, that you overtake the animal's abilities if you change into them - wouldn't that make the Animagus immortal? Or at least invincible? If someone uses Adava Kedavra on the Animagus - he just changes into the Phoenix, bursts into flames and is reborn!?

Is it even possible to have a magical creature as the Animagus-Form? So far we only heard of "normal" animal forms.

I think Harry would be a stag, it is brave, somewhat royal and somewhat outstandig among the animals in the forest, but it's not vicious or overly aggressive, not a hunter. A predator like a lion or even a dog does not fit in with Harry's character - these animals are brave, but they also find pleasure in killing (well, at least they sometimes enjoy playing with the prey). Harry is outstanding in his desire to protect and not to kill, to die for the ones he loves.

SirJames wrote:

Selene_Black wrote: I'm sure Harry is a beautiful big Phoenix, 'cause he reborn from himself! Do you think it's possible to become a Phoenix? Assuming, that you overtake the animal's abilities if you change into them - wouldn't that make the Animagus immortal? Or at least invincible? If someone uses Adava Kedavra on the Animagus - he just changes into the Phoenix, bursts into flames and is reborn!? Is it even possible to have a magical creature as the Animagus-Form? So far we only heard of "normal" animal forms. I think Harry would be a stag, it is brave, somewhat royal and somewhat outstandig among the animals in the forest, but it's not vicious or overly aggressive, not a hunter. A predator like a lion or even a dog does not fit in with Harry's character - these animals are brave, but they also find pleasure in killing (well, at least they sometimes enjoy playing with the prey). Harry is outstanding in his desire to protect and not to kill, to die for the ones he loves.

YES, I DO REALLY THINK IT'S POSSIBLE. That's why I said. Anyways, I don't think it would make the animagus inmortal.
The same way the form from your patronus has the form from something what symbolize prottection for you, I think the animal you addopt as an animagus has to represents you, your character, and if your character is very special, if you are the boy who lived, it has to be an animal very special which u addopted as an animagus. That's what I believe.

Moreover, for us magic is something strange, impossible, but if the wizards like Harry and this world exist, the magical creatures would be so normal as a dog, I say, they don't see an hippogriph more unusual than a dog. Harry treats them the same way (ok, an hippogriph is more dangerous, but he doesnt think: It's real strange to see it, or That exists!, or something like that).

Hope I made myself understand.

Nice to meet you

If a patronus is really the same as an animagus.. that means Snape is a doe.

Did anyone with established animagus forms ever cast a patronus, like Mcgonagall?

Yes I think I remember McGonagall casting a patronus in book 7, and it was a cat with glasses. I remember this because Umbridge also cast a patronus and it was also a cat, (though glasses-less) and I thought how odd it was that two completely different women could have such similar patronus's.

Do you think that perhaps, as with a patronus, your animagus form could change after great emotional distress?

Wow... this is a really interesting question.

I like the idea Harry being a phoenix--that has a really symbolic meaning for him. However, I'm not sure I would rule out stag. People said many times throughout the series that Harry was a lot like his parents. Of course, by the end of it we see that James wasn't always so great, but what I think is important with Harry is that he gained his father's best characteristics, and his mother's best, to create his own personality. James was a stag more than likely out of his arrogance, but Harry could be a stag out of his leadership.

Another interesting thing, I thought, was comparing McGonagall and Umbridge's patronuses. Perhaps Harry could still be a stag, but there would be some sort of variant between him and his father. Like with the patronuses, McGonagall's had glasses and Umbridge's didn't. Obviously Umbridge's patronus represented the meaner side of cats (and I have cats, so I know how mean they can be sometimes), and McGonagall's represented the wiser side of cats--symbolized by the glasses. Perhaps Harry's form could still be a stag, but he would have some sort of characteristic that would symbolize more purity, because that was sort of the point at the end of the story, wasn't it? That Harry could love and that he was "pure of heart", I suppose you could say.

I don't know... maybe he'd be a white stag.

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If a patronus is really the same as an animagus.. that means Snape is a doe.

That idea made me chuckle a bit, but then it got me to thinking. I would assume that Snape couldn't form into a doe because he's a male, so that would mean he would probably take the male form of that animal...

Which is a stag.

And that just doesn't seem right to me on so many levels. And since Snape hated James, he probably would not have been fond of the idea of stags, so how could he turn into one?

I was thinking that Harry could possibly be a Stag, it is his Patronous. I don't know though...I like the idea of him being a phoenix. I wouldn't rule out Lion, that might be good if since hes an auror, scare the crap out of people you're tracking.

Appearently, Patronuses can change depending on a lot of things. I don't think this is the same case with Animagi, since, once you become one you can't really change.

Look at Tonks. Her Patronus was a wolf to match Remus'... *ahem* furry little problem. But I doubt that would be her Animagus form.

I would think that Harry would either be a lion- to represent his Gryffindor nature- or a stag like his father. (His Patronus never changed) A lion represents Gryffindor bravery and Harry's got a LOT of that. As for a stag, well they are very interesting creatures. Also, it might have been a stag becuase of cross-refrencing. Lily's Patronus, after she fell in love with James, most likely- was a doe. Snapes Patronus, thus, was a doe aswell. At the end of Deathly Hallow Harry said (and I only agree so much with this) that Snape was probably the bravest man Harry ever knew. And, relating a doe with a stag, that might be why Harry's Animagus form would be a stag. But I believe it would be a stag mainly because of his father.

Oh I just love this topic!!! *roles up sleeves*


I believe that one's patronus and animagus form are usually the same. Case and point (well, almost), Tonks. She was really worried about Remus and was in love with him so her patronus form changed to a wolfe. But the error in that is the fact that we don't know what her animagus form is or would be....hmm....I'll have to think about that some more.


On pg. 160 of HBP, when Snape was coming to get Harry and take him into the start of term feast, he told Tonks,"I was interested to see your new Patronus...I think you were better off with the old one. The new one looks weak." So what i gathered from that lovely piece of canon is that patronus forms can change depending on how much of an emotional impact something has left behind. Tonks' would be the fact that Remus is living in a colony of werewolves. And honestly, if that doesn't trouble somebody, what does??


Okay, now for Harry's animagus form...
I agree with Charcoal as for Harry's form.

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It's most likely that if Harry were to become an animagus he would be a different type of stag, different shade, size, etc, though if the appearance of the animal matches the appearance of the person, as seems to be the case so far, Harry is so similar to his father that he could look the same - maybe the stag would have different eyes?!?

The only thing I don't agree with is that Harry would probably be a stag but not and identical to James'. No matter how much Harry is like James, he's not James; Lily is mixed in there.


Maybe JKR will put all of the animagus and patronus forms in that wonderful encyclopedia that she will soon publish (after she's actually started it and finished it...). That would be potterific to know 'em all!!

I like the idea of Harry being a phoenix, but I have to go with the frog. He seems to like frogs

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“I know what I should have done,” said Harry, resting, face-down, on Saucy Tricks for Tricky Sorts. “I should’ve learned to be an Animagus like Sirius.” “Yeah, you could’ve turned into a goldfish any time you wanted!” said Ron. “Or a frog,” yawned Harry.

Okay, *cracks knuckles* just a few things to address here...

As for James being a stag because he's arrogant, the books have addressed that James was fifteen in that memory. He does not remain arrogant all his life and was most likely a stag for the same reasons listed for Harry: Proud, majestic, etc. James was a great man and just because he did things as a kid he shouldn't have done (who hasn't?!) does not mean it marks him as arrogant for the rest of his life.

As for Harry's animagus form... (I love this :D) I'd have to say (here we go) an eagle, raven, owl or some other kind of proud bird. Also, I like to think wolf- not just because of Remus- because they're proud and Sirius was a bear-like dog and Remus was a werewolf. Of course we have to say stag because that, too, is a proud, beautiful animal. Lastly, if anyone could become a magical animal it'd be Harry and he'd become a Phoenix. I didn't think much of the idea at first but it's definitely grown on me. I don't think he'd have the power to be reborn, I simply believe that he'd become a Phoenix in it's prime and I highly doubt his tears could heal because underneath it all he's still only human.

No one has quite addressed this because it's a Harry thread but I want to through out there that I believe if Snape was an animagus he'd be a silver fox (not silver like the color, there's an actual "Silver Fox" species). Not for the bad features people associate with them but because he was a spy for years, flitting around unseen. I see Snape as a kind of shy guy who is more defensive than aggressive, characteristics reflected in the fox. Also, silver because he's such a Slytherin. The final reason I chose a fox was because they are like humans in the fact that while some move on from partner to partner many mate for life. Snape showed this dedication to Lily and it should be reflected in his animagus. Silver Fox:



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Okay, I'm going back on what I said up there. NOW, little over two years later, I'm pretty sure that Harry's Animagus form is really anything but a stag. People assume most of the time that a person's Patronus and Animagus forms, respectively, are the same. The best way to break it down from my point of view, and forgive me if somebody's mentioned this already, is that one's Patronus is the animal form of his/her ideal protector, and one's Animagus form is a reflection of the animal he/she is most like.

One way to back the Animagus part of the theory up is with these: Rita was a beetle, yes? Her Animagus form had to be something that would fit her perfectly, otherwise she wouldn't've been such a successful(ly hated) journalist. Becoming a beetle was perfect for her and for her life's work. James was a stag, duh, which allowed him to keep Remus in check during the full moon. Deer are powerful creatures with skinny legs, something that James was also in real life during the war: powerful wizard through a thin wooden wand. And Peter! Who could forget that rat? He's so perfect for this. He fit a rat in every way. Ugly, poor thing, and sneaky, and it was remarkably amazing at how much he reflected the animal. He was in a harsh world (the war), carried and spread diseases (Voldemort), was deadly (Potters and many others), and was an all around worm. He was the little trickster into getting the Whomping Willow to still, the one who fled many a time back to Voldemort. So low....like a rat. The rat fit him perfectly.

Luna's Patronus is a rabbit, correct? Well, that may be her animal protector, but her Animagus form will be of the animal with which she has the most in common--something shy, quirky, and clever. Now those may be traits of a rabbit, or it may be traits of say....a lizzard or a bird.....a platypus or something.

Hermione's Patronus is an otter, but her Animagus form deserves something a lot more wise, indepth, patient, and smart, which, to me, is any animal of prey, like an owl or a cat of some sort.

Now back to Harry, although his Patronus is, obviously, a stag, would a stag also be the animal he shares the most traits with? He's a protector, shy, modest, arrogant (yes, he's both ), brave, lazy at times, but straight to the point. Honestly, that sounds more like a horse to me, other than a deer. But horses, deer. They're somewhat similar. I'll think about the topic more, then post later below if something occurs to me.

Really, I've always thought that it would be a stag. Not only because his father's was that, but because his Patronus is a stag. But, what do I know? xD I'm a boring person who has no imagination...^-^