Is anyone else bothered that we last see Winky a hopeless drunk in the basement of Hogwarts? JKR said in her last interview that Winky is still there. Wouldn't it be great if she became housekeeper of Number 12 Grimmauld Place? Having a house again would be just the thing she needs to get sober!

Yeah, there must be something else for her, or why have her at all in the stories? That's a good idea. What would you do with Kreacher, though? I don't think they can co-exist.



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After betraying Sirius, didn't Kreacher run off? If he didn't he should be pitched out. Who needs a spy at Grimmauld Place?

I'm guessing that Kretcher will have been kicked out if he hasn't already run off when, and if, we return to Grimmuld Place in book 6. I presume we will because i have a feeling that all Sirius owns will be left to Harry and that Harry will let poor Lupin live there. Therefore, Winky should deffinately move in and be Lupin's House elf



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Winky's main problem is that she never wanted to be set free, but after the events in Goblet of Fire she was. Not only did that devastate her, Winky still worried about her master, if he was getting along without her and how. I think that Winky was hopping that Barty Crouch would one day realize he was wrong, come to Hogwarts and ask her back. Which of coarse now that he is dead and so is his son that's not likely to happen.



Winky will probably grieve through most of book six, but I'm not really sure how house-elf's rules apply to her now. Could she just leave Hogwarts without getting more clothes, or once you receive clothes from your first master you will always be free regardless if you have a new master. I think if a house-elf is freed with clothes, or all of your masters' including their family are dead you can go in work for another master but still need to be freed with cloths.



My point being, Kreacher will most likely go and work for Lucius, because if Sirius is dead he no longer has a master at 12 Grimmauld Place. Narcissa is a relative of Blacks, so he still would be working for the same family. Lucius is short one house-elf because Harry caused him to loose Dobby in the second book. So, Kreacher is the perfect replacement, even though I could care less where he ends up as long as its not 12 Grimmauld Place.



I do hope that since Harry is Sirius godchild that he somehow inherits 12 Grimmauld Place, but I don't see Winky being the house-elf there unless Dumbledore tells her to, or gives her clothes and she somehow winds up there. There is a possibility that Dobby could be the house-elf at 12 Grimmauld Place. Dumbledore hired him and is paying him so he could leave if he wanted to. Dobby has always favored Harry so I am sure he wouldn't even charge him to work there.



Going back to Winky she will probably just work at Hogwarts until she receives clothes or dies. I am sure that Hermione will make it a point to see that she cheers up or snaps out of it mainly because of S.P.E.W. or some reason like that. Also there may be things that she knows about Barty Crouch Jr. and the Death Eaters that could be helpful in the next two books. It was her main chore taking care of him and she is bound to know something more.

I don't think that Kreacher can be thrown of from the 12 Grimmauld place now as all the Blacks have died and I haven't noticed him running away. Maybe we are going to have new Head quarters.

I wouldn't mind at all of Kreacher ended up dead or with the Malfoy's (or an other random DE family). I'd like to see Winky at number 12. Like someone else stated, it would be good for her to have a place to serve again, seeing as she did not want to be free. I think also that if she were to continue her stay at Hogwarts, that would be good for her too! There are other house elves for her to work with and she would have the support of Hermione!



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Note: (Oooh, second year!) The problem with Kreacher is what he may know about the order. I'm sure by the end of OotP, it would be a considerable amount. If I were the one left in charge of Kreacher, and knowing that he's bad, betrayed Sirius and knows a lot, I'd just have him killed! I'd have him thrown out with the rest of the house elf heads! ~ABS~

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I'm pretty sure that Kreacher can't be set free due to the fact that he knows way too much about the order.

Winky is too weak to work for the order as she is beyond consolable. :wah

Dobby as we have seen from his past employment is a blabber mouth, not that I haven't grown to like Dobby. 'Mr Harry must get his Weezy back' oh so cute but i think he a is a liability.

Winky will come round in time but not for a long while, she was grieving for a master that have fired her now she will grieve for 2 masters that are dead (soul sucked out is just as bad).

I don't think that more elves will be introduced. I think that Winky and Dobby show two different sides to elf-servants. Dobby wanted to be free, but he was the minority. Now we have Winky on the other hand: someone who only wanted to serve her master.



I think Kreacher will serve the Malfoys; since Black is dead, the next relative is Narcissa, not Harry. So he'd go serve there, I believe. I don't think that even Dumbledore would want to keep him there any longer. Especially since Harry would probably try to kill him.



Not all endings have to be happy - I think Rowling has shown that. So who says Winky has to come out of her depression? It is disturbing to see her being drunk all the time and one hopes that she will get better, but I can also see her wasting away. Or else Dumbledore will come and shake her away - but he'd need cause to do that. Winky has been useful in the past plots - I think something like that has to happen again for things to change. She has to be a central character once more.

Well, since Kreacher had gone out when Sirius ordered him to during Christmas, and found Narcissa it is possible he is serving them , now. But what about Bellatrix? She was obviously a favorite of his, and I think he may be serving her.



But even with the position to fill at 12 Grimmauld Place, I highly doubt Winky would be the one to fill it. With her Butterbeer addiction, she doesn't seem nearly capable enough to clean a house that fights back. It seems to me that if the Order continue to use the house, they may not want the liability of another house elf. Dobby seems safe, but I doubt he could withstand severe pressure to talk from any of the Malfoys. He was always scared of them. I think both Dobby and Winky will remain at Hogwarts.

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Although I'm inclined to think that Tonks is right and Dobby and Winky will stay at Hogwarts, I think there is also the possibility of another scenario. Kreatcher will probably end up at the Malfoy's because of the family connection. I don't think that his will be too much of an inconvenience to the Order as he is bound, I think, to keep their secrets. He must be though, or he would already have informed Lucius of everything the last time he got out. I also rather imagine that Dumbledore would place some sort of Charm on him to further bind him to silence as far as the Order is concerned. As the Order now lacks a house elf, and Winky has lost her master to Voldemort, whom Crouch fought vehemently, I think it is possible that the Order could convince her to go and work for them on the premise that she would be carrying on her master's fight against Voldemort for him. This would serve to convince her that she is helping her master in absentia, console her and keep her busy, which is just what she needs.

Dobby, on the other hand, I think must remain at Hogwarts. He is one of those "small details", that help further the story. He is always popping up when the situation seems desperate and I think he must continue to function in this capacity. He's able to move around the entire castle without attracting any attention and thus, sees and hears things that may be vital for Harry to know. He is also probably one of the reasons why Dumbledore knows as much as he does about what Harry gets up to.



Should this not be the case, I think that Dobby and Winky will have to remain together at Hogwarts. Dobby for the above mentioned reasons and Winky because she has no place to go, no desire to go anywhere, and no one other than Dobby to take care of her.

Unfortunately, I think that Winky will remain just as bad for a while. What Crouch did to her was awful, it reeks (spelling?) of ignorance and arrogance. But, he is dead, so I will not get onto a soapbox about that.



In other words, JKR wants to reinforce (though she might not do it intentionally) that the wizarding world holds a lowly disdain for house-elves and other magical creatures, in general. This leads to those creatures, like Winky, being hurt in the interim, while those wizards responsible do not feel the consequences of their actions.



Perhaps that is just my opinion, but I seem to think that whatever Winky's ultimate end, she will remain as she is now for some time.



Though Kreacher might want to work for the Malfoys, do you think that he would be able to leave his beloved mistress, with whom he has been alone for all those years? No, it seems to me that something will have to be done about Kreacher. And, I don't mean killing him. Dumbledore would certainly never allow that.



It is possible for the Order to continue in Grimmauld Place while Kreacher is still living there. They would just have to protect their meetings, as they did when Fred and George tried using Extendable Ears.



I guess I just don't want him to be killed because I feel sorry for what the Black family has made him.



As far as Dobby, I agree that he will stay at Hogwarts. On this point, I agree with kaneezle:

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He is one of those "small details", that help further the story. He is always popping up when the situation seems desperate and I think he must continue to function in this capacity.

Valid points, valid points, still I hope for Winky. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I think Hermione might spend part of her summer thinking up ways to help Winky and might appeal to Dumbledore for help. That would be just like her after all. She has already mentioned that she would prefer to do something about helping magical creatures after she finishes at Hogwarts instead of becoming an auror. She may hit upon a clever way to get Winky to buck up and get on with her life and what better way for her to do so than to continue her master's work against Voldemort. (Although i would never purport to be cleverer than JKR, She will probably have something better up her sleeve than that!)

Kreater bended the rules to tell Narcissa Black what he did. He was forbidden to tell her real secrets but things like who like who, didn't matter. I hate him. Because of him, Sirius is dead. *tear*



Winky shall never recover (source: jkrowling.com) but she might have a part in the later books....



Don't you love that Kreacher sounds scarily like Creature?

Somehow I don't think Kreacher can leave 12 Grimmauld Place. He knows to much about the Order. He may not be able to tell the exact location of the Order's headquarters, but does Narcissa need to be told? Doesn't she recognize Kreacher and know who he served? I'm sure she does, so she would already know where he lives and figure it out herself. I'm not entirely sure what his fate will be. Also, did Sirius have a will that named Harry his heir? It might be interesting to find out in book six.

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